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		<title>By: James Waites</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Waites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read all this with great interest. And was sorry to have had to be in Melbourne that weekend. Thanks Gus for carrying the flag - not for a cause but for a subject - a matter of inquiry.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read all this with great interest. And was sorry to have had to be in Melbourne that weekend. Thanks Gus for carrying the flag &#8211; not for a cause but for a subject &#8211; a matter of inquiry&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Eater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gus,
Doesn&#039;t Tahli actually work in the Company B office and look after the submissions for the Parsons prize?
They do weird things at Belvoir sometimes.

I actually found the forum tokenistic - Company B - you aren&#039;t off the hook just because you held a forum, ok!?

And in one way it&#039;s sad. Armfield was the GREAT director who has been brought down by his own foolishness. At the Belvoir xmas party he listed all the women who had worked at the theatre... 90 per cent were admin.

I don&#039;t think he gets it. I really don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gus,<br />
Doesn&#8217;t Tahli actually work in the Company B office and look after the submissions for the Parsons prize?<br />
They do weird things at Belvoir sometimes.</p>
<p>I actually found the forum tokenistic &#8211; Company B &#8211; you aren&#8217;t off the hook just because you held a forum, ok!?</p>
<p>And in one way it&#8217;s sad. Armfield was the GREAT director who has been brought down by his own foolishness. At the Belvoir xmas party he listed all the women who had worked at the theatre&#8230; 90 per cent were admin.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he gets it. I really don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vanessa Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding my thanks Augusta and also to the panel on Sunday. I also feel that Caleb&#039;s decision to withdraw was not one taken lightly and that he was very aware of the &quot;serious&quot; nature of this commission. As playwrights we all know how hard it is to get the work, there just isn&#039;t that big a pie to divvy up and to be shortlisted for a commission with Belvoir is a big deal in anyone&#039;s book. I think Caleb Lewis stood up for what he believed, that something was rotten in the state of denmark, as he, and some other guy, put it. He doesn&#039;t deserve to be treated like a silly boy who needs to take a good hard look at himself and &#039;come around&#039;. It takes courage to stand up in this industry and raise questions. I think Caleb was incredibly courageous. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d have the guts to do what he did if I had been in his place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding my thanks Augusta and also to the panel on Sunday. I also feel that Caleb&#8217;s decision to withdraw was not one taken lightly and that he was very aware of the &#8220;serious&#8221; nature of this commission. As playwrights we all know how hard it is to get the work, there just isn&#8217;t that big a pie to divvy up and to be shortlisted for a commission with Belvoir is a big deal in anyone&#8217;s book. I think Caleb Lewis stood up for what he believed, that something was rotten in the state of denmark, as he, and some other guy, put it. He doesn&#8217;t deserve to be treated like a silly boy who needs to take a good hard look at himself and &#8216;come around&#8217;. It takes courage to stand up in this industry and raise questions. I think Caleb was incredibly courageous. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d have the guts to do what he did if I had been in his place.</p>
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		<title>By: 5thwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>5thwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did anyone manage to get audio?  i would love to hear the discussion in detail, as i was stuck at work all sunday

i had a thought on this merit idea.  it seems to be a euphamism for commercial decision making.  in other words- &#039;bankability&#039;

Do we place any less value on the downstairs shows because they are less commercially driven?  i would argue that we (should, at least) place more value there.  In which case some of our most valuable theatre in recent years has been programmed by women.

just a thought :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did anyone manage to get audio?  i would love to hear the discussion in detail, as i was stuck at work all sunday</p>
<p>i had a thought on this merit idea.  it seems to be a euphamism for commercial decision making.  in other words- &#8216;bankability&#8217;</p>
<p>Do we place any less value on the downstairs shows because they are less commercially driven?  i would argue that we (should, at least) place more value there.  In which case some of our most valuable theatre in recent years has been programmed by women.</p>
<p>just a thought <img src='http://augustasupple.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Augusta Supple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augusta Supple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Noelle-  you are very right. We need to start recognising that it&#039;s not the audience that is making the choices- it&#039;s the agenda of the programmers- its what they see as valuable and &quot;hot&quot;- and that is what audiences will follow.

Furthermore, the truth of the matter is - is that no one knows what an audience wants- not even the audience- programmers only program on what they know and what they personally want to see in their theatre. Audiences want the best of what&#039;s on offer- and the easiest way to decide what is &quot;best&quot; is to have a hugely diverse programme-

And how do programmers know what an audience wants? How could someone possibly know that an audience wants Shakespeare in December and Tommy Murphy in August? What sort of crystal ball do the mainstage programmers have? The plain truth is- that every theatre programmer who wasn&#039;t there yesterday is shirking their responsibility to have a reasonable dialogue with their industry. And everytime they chose NOT to foster new or local work/ artists their laziness damages the whole industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Noelle-  you are very right. We need to start recognising that it&#8217;s not the audience that is making the choices- it&#8217;s the agenda of the programmers- its what they see as valuable and &#8220;hot&#8221;- and that is what audiences will follow.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the truth of the matter is &#8211; is that no one knows what an audience wants- not even the audience- programmers only program on what they know and what they personally want to see in their theatre. Audiences want the best of what&#8217;s on offer- and the easiest way to decide what is &#8220;best&#8221; is to have a hugely diverse programme-</p>
<p>And how do programmers know what an audience wants? How could someone possibly know that an audience wants Shakespeare in December and Tommy Murphy in August? What sort of crystal ball do the mainstage programmers have? The plain truth is- that every theatre programmer who wasn&#8217;t there yesterday is shirking their responsibility to have a reasonable dialogue with their industry. And everytime they chose NOT to foster new or local work/ artists their laziness damages the whole industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Noëlle Janaczewska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noëlle Janaczewska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the report, Gus. Unfortunately I couldn&#039;t make the discussion yesterday, but I was there in spirit, if not in body. 

Interesting point you make about &#039;taste&#039;; how individual and idiosyncratic it is, and--in this context--how easily it masquerades as &#039;merit&#039;. When it comes to commissioning and programming I think taste also gets tangled up with &#039;what audiences want&#039;, the political zeitgeist, fashion, who&#039;s hot, what&#039;s going on overseas--and probably a hundred other things. 

Let&#039;s hope that Belvoir (and those other companies--you know who you are) take yesterday&#039;s panel as the start of a much-needed dialogue, and don&#039;t feel they&#039;ve now given women writers and directors their 15-minutes centrestage. 

Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the report, Gus. Unfortunately I couldn&#8217;t make the discussion yesterday, but I was there in spirit, if not in body. </p>
<p>Interesting point you make about &#8216;taste&#8217;; how individual and idiosyncratic it is, and&#8211;in this context&#8211;how easily it masquerades as &#8216;merit&#8217;. When it comes to commissioning and programming I think taste also gets tangled up with &#8216;what audiences want&#8217;, the political zeitgeist, fashion, who&#8217;s hot, what&#8217;s going on overseas&#8211;and probably a hundred other things. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that Belvoir (and those other companies&#8211;you know who you are) take yesterday&#8217;s panel as the start of a much-needed dialogue, and don&#8217;t feel they&#8217;ve now given women writers and directors their 15-minutes centrestage. </p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzie Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for continued commitment to the debate Augustas, there is indeed a bravery in speaking out on such things, and one that cannot be underestimated, as so many theatre practitioners are afraid of a backlash by doing so.  

I believe that Caleb Lewis made some important comments about process and merit and that they should not be lost in this debate. I agree that he should be respected for withdrawing from the award, a decision I am convinced he would have not taken likely and one that was a courageous move pronouncing his own principles over his own success. I would encourage him though to take up on the commission perhaps without the award, as I think a writer that has been chosen for a commission must jump because sadly they are even rarer and further between as never before.

The forum was a wonderful entree into further discussion which I hope we will continue to engage in. I believe that the scrutiny of how &#039;merit&#039; is decided, what processes are in place to ensure gate keepers are informed thinkers, how theatre is significantly behind other professions (even within the arts), and how indeed Australian theatre is well behind other first world countries in its representation of women artists, is well worthy of greater investigation. Perhaps there could be some processes put in place to examine current practice. 

Thank you to the terrific panel (Marion Potts you are both brave and wise) and to Belvoir. Great to see so many women there, especially those with history and power to offer us all - and so many supportive men. I look forward to further healthy discussion within the entire industry, both in NSW and elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for continued commitment to the debate Augustas, there is indeed a bravery in speaking out on such things, and one that cannot be underestimated, as so many theatre practitioners are afraid of a backlash by doing so.  </p>
<p>I believe that Caleb Lewis made some important comments about process and merit and that they should not be lost in this debate. I agree that he should be respected for withdrawing from the award, a decision I am convinced he would have not taken likely and one that was a courageous move pronouncing his own principles over his own success. I would encourage him though to take up on the commission perhaps without the award, as I think a writer that has been chosen for a commission must jump because sadly they are even rarer and further between as never before.</p>
<p>The forum was a wonderful entree into further discussion which I hope we will continue to engage in. I believe that the scrutiny of how &#8216;merit&#8217; is decided, what processes are in place to ensure gate keepers are informed thinkers, how theatre is significantly behind other professions (even within the arts), and how indeed Australian theatre is well behind other first world countries in its representation of women artists, is well worthy of greater investigation. Perhaps there could be some processes put in place to examine current practice. </p>
<p>Thank you to the terrific panel (Marion Potts you are both brave and wise) and to Belvoir. Great to see so many women there, especially those with history and power to offer us all &#8211; and so many supportive men. I look forward to further healthy discussion within the entire industry, both in NSW and elsewhere.</p>
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